Rushkoff and Gots are both doing their part to explore the solutions and different perspectives needed in order to break out of the “my job is my identity and purpose” mindset. Their discussions about the higher order purpose and value of life, and what it means to be human is modern day improv poetry. And they're on to something, life is more than consumption and labour and attempting to climb some sort of invisible ladder. Life isn't about what you have, it's about what you do, the connections you make.
There was a moment in their discussion about 15 minutes in, where Rushkoff says, “There's a difference between contemplating a Utopian future and dealing with this all hands on deck civilization moment”. This episode is intended to elaborate on the discussion from January 2019 regarding Basic Income, and how it can be a positive force that encourages active participation in community and society at large.